Bubafat
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« on: July 06, 2009, 06:16:53 PM » |
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After listening to quite a few podcasts, watching season 1 of Personal Defense TV and reading several posts on the topic of how to deal with the cops in the stereotypical situation where the bad guy is laying dead or seriously injured at your feet, I'm pretty confident on how to deal with the cops. This got me thinking about less "typical" situation and how much I should say to the police in such a situation. Maybe you all could comment on what you think the proper action would be.
Scenario 1
You are threatened enough to justify use of deadly force, you shoot but bad guy runs away. You don't know if you hit him or not. How much info do you give the police?
Scenario 2
You kill someones dog for attacking you. The dog may or may not have bit you. Lawyer up and shut up or explain to officer?
I actually had this happen last night. A stray pack of dogs charged me, but stopped ~10 feet short. They are lucky dogs as I was carrying and came quite close to "stopping" them.
Scenario 3
You're in a convenience store that's being robbed at gun/knife point, but you're at the back of the store. Do you step in? In the eyes of the law are you justified in getting involved?
Would love to see anyone else chime in with other "atypical" yet very plausible situations as well as how you might deal with them.
Thanks.
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MasAyoob
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2009, 08:18:21 PM » |
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Bro, I'd stay with the advice I gave in Season One of PDTV, which you already have.
In scenario 3, I'd stay back out of it unless the robber actually starts harming people. The likelihood that he'll start shooting when challenged is high, and it may well be more likely to trigger his shooting of an innocent than if he was just allowed to take the money and go. I've carried a badge for 35 years, and that's the protocol WE'RE taught to follow when off duty.
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2009, 08:18:21 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2009, 12:07:01 AM » |
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Mas, is there an archive of PDTV somewhere? Our cable provider doesn't offer the channel (argh!!) or is there a transcript of the show somewhere online? I would love to hear what that advice was for scenario 1 & 2. For #3, I agree 100%. I always go back to the first thing I was taught and that I taught my students in EMS...you are no good to the victim/patient if you become the a victim/patient too. Scene safety is #1 and that means not making it worse. I'd rather be a good witness in the scenario the OP had for #3.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2009, 03:54:52 PM » |
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Certainly agree on scenario 3... I'll just sit at the back of the store and drink a redbull or something while taking some cover. If any threatening moves are made toward myself, anyone I know, or anyone incapable of defending themselves...that's when I'm forced to interact.
Louisiana law states you can use your firearm for the prevention of any violent felony.
As for shooting someone's dog...as a man I feel that you are NEVER justified in shooting a single dog. If there are multiple, yes, but alone a grown man is capable of handling a dog...or at least should be. I've had danes, boxers, pits, american bulldogs, everything. The dane was over 200 pounds, but he only has one mouth.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2009, 03:54:52 PM » |
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2009, 05:40:09 PM » |
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From reading many of your posts Cade, I do respect you, but I have to strongly disagree with you on the dog issue. I've seen first hand the damage a dog can do and it's not pretty. A couple years back I had a neighbor (male, 19, 180+ pounds) have to get >50 stitches after being attacked by a moderate sized dog. The hospital bill alone was several thousand dollars.
I'm sorry, I love dogs, but if I have to choose between pain, suffering and possibly thousands in hospital bills and a dead dog...I'll kill the dog, plain and simple. They're probably going to put it down anyway.
Just my thoughts.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 05:56:10 PM » |
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Like I said, personal pet peeve, everyone has an opinion. I personally wouldn't shoot a single dog. I've always had pets, and did have to kill the occasional stray when they would stay on the property when I was younger. I wasn't ever fond of it, and as horrible as this is, I'd feel better about shooting most people than I would about shooting most dogs.
My dane was abused as a pup before I got him, so I had to learn how to deal with an occasional angry and bitey dog...who was over 200 pounds. Guess I got used to it.
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PS: I'm just a poor dumb country boy, take everything I say with that knowledge in your head. lol
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 08:33:27 PM » |
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I know the poor dumb country boy problem.... I'm one too.... after swearing I'd never move out of walking distance of a store, I'm now living on 180ish acres in the middle of NOWHERE 30 minutes from a store... LOL aint it funny how life kicks ya in the pants when women get involved....
I guess I've had different experiences living in the country than you have. I wont shoot anything that I dont feel threatened by (coyotes are the exception to the rule as they will kill my horses and cattle), I dont even go out of my way to run over or kill snakes when I see them on the other side of the pasture. This changes when something is coming at me though, if its coming toward me and lookin the least bit threatening I will prepare to shoot, there is no animal out there that I wont shoot if I have to. Ask the snapping turtle that almost got one of my toes the other day.
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2009, 08:47:46 PM » |
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well it was more we'd call the pound, the would never come out, the animals would get hungry and start behaving badly toward the other dogs that we kept...and threaten my dog and you're threatening my kid...
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 09:01:42 PM » |
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know exactly how that works.... we have had to take a few dogs off to the pound since we've been here
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2009, 09:53:02 AM » |
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When we had problems with neighbors who couldn't keep their german shephards on their property, the dogs would run loose and get aggressive. We reported them a few times, and after they were on our property acting aggressive, we again made a complaint. The deputy who took the complaint snorted and said, "You shoudda shot 'em!"
Thank goodness for common sense!
However a couple years ago, not far from my place a woman was torn to pieces by three pit bulls. The dogs moved on to another neighbor but the man's son saw what was happening and shot the dogs with a shotgun, driving them back. (so much for kids not having access to guns!). The police finally capped the mutts for good.
I'd hate to kill someone's dog. However if an animal is charging me in an aggressive manner, I would defend myself.
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