Blood will flow like a river, or will it?

[Armed Ape]

Three really good new laws go into effect today(09/30/09) in Arizona.  This email I got from the NRA ILA sums it up quite well.....

NRA-ILA is pleased to announce that three new pro-gun laws officially go into effect in today in Arizona. 

The employee protection/parking lot law requires employers to allow the lawful storage of firearm(s) in employees' locked motor vehicles while they are at work.  Employers are not allowed to ban the storage of firearms in vehicles unless they offer an alternate location to park immediately adjacent to the standard parking area.  If your employer violates this new law, please contact us immediately at 703-267-1240 or email state&[email protected].

Also effective today, concealed carry permit holders can carry a concealed firearm for self-defense while in an establishment that serves on site alcoholic beverages as long as they are not consuming alcohol.  A restaurant or bar can ban possession by posting a sign next to the liquor license.  It is important to note that posting the sign at the entrance of an establishment is not sufficient and one is legally protected to enter the premises and see if the sign is posted in the proper place next to the liquor license.  If it is not, the establishment is not in compliance with the law and you may remain inside even if a sign is posted at the entrance.  It is important for gun owners to politely let restaurant owners know you prefer to patronize those restaurants who do not post their premises.

Finally, a new law allows for a concealed carry permit holder to "display" their weapon to de-escalate what would otherwise be a violent altercation.  It has been designed to stop problems in the past where the passive display of a firearm was considered brandishing and not a means of self defense. It will prevent law abiding citizens from violating the law when lethal force is not required to prevent a violent incident.  It is important to note that this law does not allow for you to remove your handgun from its holster to intimidate another individual or gain leverage on a situation.

There was a report in one of our local city papers that said that Chipotle(sp?) has posted a no firearms sign.  It was near to where I live, so I went over there and spoke with the manager and said that they would only be keeping law abiding people who can't have any felonies out of his establishment.  Also said that as long a the sign was up we won't be eating there.  The manager was polite but said they would be keeping the sign up.   

However I think that what happened at Lowes & Home Depot will happen with most restaurants, not too sure about bars, people raised a stink and the signs came down.  It may take a few months but as long as we all keep plugging away the signs will come down. 


Tony

[Chemsoldier]

I agree with your assesment.  There will be a blizzard of signs up at first, they will fade in time.  Make a big public stink of it.  People need to tell stores they do not patronize their business because of their policies against gun owners.  In time, many will end the policy. 

[Eric R Shelton]

It's been a month- where's the river of blood I was promised?  Dammit, this is supposed to be Dodge City! 

 

[Armed Ape]

I've not seen many "no firearms" signs recently, in fact the Chipotle did take down their sign.  I saw one that was on an entry to a bar but have not been back down that way to see if the signs have come down.  As more and more NOTHING happens the few places that do have them will take them down.  I do know that people here do talk to managers of these places and say you have a sign you don't get my business. 

Eric, have you seen many signs down in Tucson??

Tony

[P50MG]

Hi Tony

I told the manager of the Chandler Mall Chipotle that very thing "No more of my business til the sign comes down".  It hurt because I love the food.  Glad to hear they're responding.

I sent you a message a week ago, about where there is public land and the open range near Mesa.  Did you recieve it?

P50MG

[Matt G]

Finally, a new law allows for a concealed carry permit holder to "display" their weapon to de-escalate what would otherwise be a violent altercation.  It has been designed to stop problems in the past where the passive display of a firearm was considered brandishing and not a means of self defense. It will prevent law abiding citizens from violating the law when lethal force is not required to prevent a violent incident.  It is important to note that this law does not allow for you to remove your handgun from its holster to intimidate another individual or gain leverage on a situation.

I don"t know if I agree with this one.  Or am I reading/interpreting it incorrectly?

Matt G

[Armed Ape]

Hi Tony

I told the manager of the Chandler Mall Chipotle that very thing "No more of my business til the sign comes down".  It hurt because I love the food.  Glad to hear they're responding.

I sent you a message a week ago, about where there is public land and the open range near Mesa.  Did you recieve it?

P50MG

good job on talking to them.  the more people that come in and tell them in a nice way the sooner they will take them down.  Having said that there will always be some.  I did get your message a PM is on the way.

[hobartfloyt]

Unfortunately businesses will find a way around the 'parking lot law'. Here in Florida we have a similar law but my employer not only won't let you bring a firearm on site but recently stopped letting us check it in at the guard shack. The only option is to park your vehicle outside the gate and walk a half mile to the plant, in whatever weather or darkness. As I arrive at 0530, it's a pain and not very safe, as the access road is narrow, poorly lit and there is a LOT of traffic.
Art - Florida

[Eric R Shelton]

I haven't noticed any signs here in Tucson- but I don't go out to eat a whole lot.  Mostly privately owned places, like my favorite wings place.  I went to a Chili's last night and didn't see anything.  So far, this hasn't changed anything for me except to make my behavior legal.   

[P50MG]

Hi Tony,
Sent you another message that apparently didn't work.   I'll send it to your [email protected] address tomorrow.   I liked your halloween show&music.  After listening I downloaded the armed ape podcasts and will listen to them soon.

P50MG a.k.a. Mike in NE Mesa

[Armed Ape]

I don"t know if I agree with this one.  Or am I reading/interpreting it incorrectly?

Matt G

I'm planning on my next show about the newest laws we got passed. 

Tony

[wingsprint410]

Unfortunately businesses will find a way around the 'parking lot law'. Here in Florida we have a similar law but my employer not only won't let you bring a firearm on site but recently stopped letting us check it in at the guard shack. The only option is to park your vehicle outside the gate and walk a half mile to the plant, in whatever weather or darkness. As I arrive at 0530, it's a pain and not very safe, as the access road is narrow, poorly lit and there is a LOT of traffic.
Art - Florida

Art,

When you say that your employer will not allow you to bring a firearm on site, are you referring to keeping a legally concealed firearm in your vehicle in a employee parking area?

[hobartfloyt]

Art,

When you say that your employer will not allow you to bring a firearm on site, are you referring to keeping a legally concealed firearm in your vehicle in a employee parking area?

Correct. I would have to park on plant property but outside the gate. Normal employee parking is inside the gate next to the building. It's about a half mile from the gate to the building.
Art - Florida

[wingsprint410]

Art,

When you say that your employer will not allow you to bring a firearm on site, are you referring to keeping a legally concealed firearm in your vehicle in a employee parking area?

Correct. I would have to park on plant property but outside the gate. Normal employee parking is inside the gate next to the building. It's about a half mile from the gate to the building.
Art - Florida

The only way your employer can legally do this is if they are exempt under the Florida law . Exemptions include schools, prisons, nuclear power plants, military facilities, defense contractors, and explosives manufacturers, as well as any property leased or owned by an employer who has a permit for explosives. If your employer does not fall into these categories, they cannot prohibit you from legally carrying a firearm in your car. That said, I am not suggesting that you violate your employers "rules" and possibly lose your job.

[Armed Ape]

You may have a case, I know that NRA-ILA has a "hotline" number to call if the law is not being followed.  Having said that it may not be worth the risk.  Just a thought.

Tony

[hobartfloyt]

I understand the state AG's office is looking into it. They have the authority on this issue. But if they uphold the company's rule, it may come to additional legal action .
Art - Florida

[wingsprint410]

Keep us posted.