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Author Topic: No Airsoft? Really?  (Read 632 times)
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rolsby
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« on: March 04, 2010, 07:26:52 AM »

I was surprised at hearing the "no projectile whatsoever" rule.  Is that a base rule?

It's my understanding that airsoft and model guns (guns that operate exactly like real guns but cannot fire) were born in Japan.  Consequently, all airsoft guns must shoot less than a joule of force (.98 joules to be exact).

Copy-n-paste nerdiness (with some cuts) to follow: To calculate the power of an airgun you need to use a chronograph to measure the speed of the pellet (in feet per second) when fired, and you need to know the weight of the pellet in grains. Once you have that information you perform the following calculation: - speed (ft/sec) X speed (ft/sec) X weight (grains)
this gives you the result in foot pounds force (ft-lb).
The legal maximum for an unlicensed air rifle is 12 ft-lb which from changing round the above formula, gives the approximate values as follows:-
A .22 pellet weighing 14.4 grains, maximum permissible speed is 612 ft/sec
A .177 pellet weighing 7.9 grains, maximum permissible speed is 826 ft/sec
The corresponding figures for a pistol are 433 ft/sec for a .22 and 584 ft/sec for a .177
The pellet weights used in the above calculation are typical weights for the sizes of pellet but you must always check the actual weight of your pellet before performing your own calculations. (Original Source)

The only "problem" with the above is that airsoft BBs come in so many varieties: .12g, .20g, and .25g.  All are 6mm but there many differing weights in grams.  Regardless, plenty of choices to make you legal with an airsoft gun that fires.

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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 08:29:24 AM »

There's an airsoft team with a Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Okinawa-Airsoft-Team/140612752665085

http://www.stripes.com/news/okinawa-city-wants-ban-on-bb-gun-war-games-in-parks-1.37499
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 08:29:24 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 10:07:15 AM »

Once you have that information you perform the following calculation: - speed (ft/sec) X speed (ft/sec) X weight (grains)
this gives you the result in foot pounds force (ft-lb).


Unless I'm missing something...

I believe there is a missing conversion factor in there, appearing to be 450240 according to your link.  Even with the conversion factor, I was not able to properly deduce the numbers he pulled.

While not mentioned in the link, within that factor there must be a standard value used for time or distance in order to calculate force.  My guess would be distance for chronograph testing since it is a lot easier to measure for this situation.  A change in time or a change in distance is required to find a value for acceleration, which leads you to finding the force.

I would assume that is why power factor is used more commonly in competition shooting - easily to calculate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_of_motion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 09:54:48 PM »

Perhaps it is to reduce the possibility of being shot by someone that thought it was real. I have seen a lot of people silver, or black out the orange ring to make it look "cooler". Especially kids.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 07:16:27 PM »

The rule is higher than base.  I don't know the exact wording of it, but it's in the status of forces agreement that we have with Japan.  There are probably many service members here with airsoft guns, but with my luck I would get locked up for even buying one.  The strange thing is that paintball guns are allowed and there are even paintball facilities on base. 

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2011, 08:24:55 AM »

Let me know if your up for a Paintball gun to review.  I have a team gun from Team Atomixs, not a whole lot of these around as the team did not last long.  Its design is dated as its a impulse but its still works great.
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2011, 04:55:07 AM »

I know I'm really late to the thread, thought I would chime in.

My son was stationed in Okinawa a few years back, and a couple of young marines had some airsoft guns in the dorm, against the rules.
One of them decided that it would be "cool" to shoot it at a passing MP, and things went to crap pretty quickly. Although my son knew nothing about it, many paid for the sins of a few...
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