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Author Topic: $0.25 Glock Trigger Job  (Read 2023 times)
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austinguy23
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« on: February 11, 2009, 01:30:02 PM »

The Glock forums are full of threads talking about those who have performed a so-called $0.25 trigger job on their Glock to "smooth out" the trigger.  I'd like the hear the thoughts of the podcasting crew on whether this is a good idea for a concealed carry gun (i.e. would I be hassled in court?).  I realize that lessening the weight of the trigger pull is a no-no as per Mas and others, but what about "smoothing" the trigger?

Have any of you done this? 


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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 10:03:58 PM »

Along with the smoothing trigger job, other modifications might be interesting.

What is the benefit of stippling or is there one?  What about grip tape and grip reductions?

Replacing the factory guide rod with a metal rod?  Aftermarket barrels to shoot lead / home cast bullets?

Conversion kits (Actually, I think that was discussed a while back...)

Glock armorer stuff...
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Miles Littlefield
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 10:03:58 PM »

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austinguy23
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 11:54:14 PM »

Along with the smoothing trigger job, other modifications might be interesting.

What is the benefit of stippling or is there one?  What about grip tape and grip reductions?

Replacing the factory guide rod with a metal rod?  Aftermarket barrels to shoot lead / home cast bullets?

Conversion kits (Actually, I think that was discussed a while back...)

Glock armorer stuff...

Stippling - improved, non-slip grip (same goes for tape).

Grip reductions - easier reach for trigger and better feel of overall grip (for some)

Guide rod:  supposedly more robust... and better recoil, I believe
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 01:38:07 PM »

Uuhh, maybe I should have been more clear in my post - I confused even myself when I re-read it...

What I meant to say is modifying Glocks might be a good ProArms Podcast topic.

How to do those modifications - why one might want to - why one might not want to - etc.

What might be the legal ramifications - Mas has pointed out (in his LFI classes) how some modifications make it EASIER to defend in court and some make it HARDER should a terrible thing ever happen.

I actually know what stippling and reductions are, I was just adding other modifications to austinguy23's post about the $0.25 trigger job.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 10:35:08 PM »

Miles, I'm now in my 30th year as an expert witness in this sort of matter.  I've NEVER seen a problem come up from a gun's trigger pull being too SMOOTH.  But MANY times I've seen both prosecutors and plaintiffs' attorneys make the claim that the trigger pull was too LIGHT, and conducive to an unintentional discharge, and evidence of recklessness and negligence.

Which has led me to the simple conclusion that there is no such thing as "too smooth," but there is definitely such a thing as "too light."  Duh...
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austinguy23
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 01:07:22 PM »

Miles, I'm now in my 30th year as an expert witness in this sort of matter.  I've NEVER seen a problem come up from a gun's trigger pull being too SMOOTH.  But MANY times I've seen both prosecutors and plaintiffs' attorneys make the claim that the trigger pull was too LIGHT, and conducive to an unintentional discharge, and evidence of recklessness and negligence.

Which has led me to the simple conclusion that there is no such thing as "too smooth," but there is definitely such a thing as "too light."  Duh...

Makes sense, but I've heard that smoothing the trigger components can slightly lessen the trigger pull as well.  Have you tried it and does it really make much of a difference?  I'd try it on mine but I can't exactly "undo" it...
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Chris
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2009, 03:29:16 PM »

I'll leave a precise answer to the above question up to our established & certified courtroom expert, Mas. But, I would sure hate to be involved in any self-defense shooting with a gun that I "kitchen table" gunsmithed myself. Work done by a professional gunsmith is one thing. The same job done at the kitchen table by the actual shooter might allow the prosecutor to paint all sorts of pictures regarding the "nefarious and obsessed" charactor of the defendent. I'd much rather be able to tell the jury that the reason I had a professional gunsmith do the job was because I wanted it done  properly and to professional standards... and not let the prosecutor convince the jury that I was drooling over a Dremel tool at my kitchen table.... with all those nefarious fantasies swirling through my mind. FWIW.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2009, 03:32:29 PM »

Better to "Smooth" out the weapon buy use.  It's called "Practice".  Especially with a defense firearm. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2009, 10:39:16 PM »

Miles, I'm now in my 30th year as an expert witness in this sort of matter.  I've NEVER seen a problem come up from a gun's trigger pull being too SMOOTH.  But MANY times I've seen both prosecutors and plaintiffs' attorneys make the claim that the trigger pull was too LIGHT, and conducive to an unintentional discharge, and evidence of recklessness and negligence.

Which has led me to the simple conclusion that there is no such thing as "too smooth," but there is definitely such a thing as "too light."  Duh...

Beyond triggers, Mas, you have also had some interesting insights on other "weapons modifications" and their impact in the court.

Some were kind of obvious - a court might have a problem with engraving "Make My Day" in the muzzle of the carry gun, for example - and there is no reasonable explanation a defendant could make for that.

Others were a little more subtle, but might be advantageous - a court might initially think adding a Crimson Trace laser to a carry gun is kind of like adding Borg implants to be intimidating - a reasonable defense might be that with aged eyes, the laser makes me a safer shooter since the aiming index and the target are at the same plane using a laser that bifocals can't match.

Expands beyond what austinguy23 originally asked about "being hassled in court", but might make a pretty intereting podcast at some point.

Definitely makes a good reason to take Lethal Force Institute classes and to buy the "Cute Lawyer Tricks" video.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2009, 10:44:24 AM »

You could just "smooth" out the trigger the old fashioned way.....ALOT of dry firing. The metal on metal contact will also "smooth" out your trigger. The same way the .25 cent trigger job will, it just takes a bit longer.  Wink

I doubt any prosecutor can claim negligence or malice on your part for the act of simple trigger finger training.  Grin

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